Some Anti-Theist Religious Bits & Pieces: Round Twelve

Of all of those Big Questions central to philosophical concepts that surround life, the universe and everything, the realms of theology and religions and the nature of deities continue to fascinate. Opinions proliferate in books, articles, videos, conversations in bars and pubs, and in fact anywhere and everywhere two or more humans are in proximity. There’s the pro side; there’s the anti-side. There aren’t too many fence-sitters. I’m still in the anti-camp as the following bits and pieces illustrate.

Regarding Religion

*Christian theist: God is the answer!

Sceptic: So how do you KNOW that God is the answer instead of (fill in the blank)? The answer is you don’t KNOW and you can’t KNOW! If you don’t KNOW the answer, then your answer should be “I don’t know”, not “God”. Further to that, just because you don’t KNOW the answer (if you stop to admit that to yourself) doesn’t mean that God is the answer by default. For example, I don’t know why archaeologists and historians can’t find any trace of The Exodus. Therefore God must have erased or covered up all of the evidence. Why? Because God works in mysterious ways, that’s why! Not a very satisfactory explanation now, is it.

*Religion is an illusion rooted in wishful thinking or in wish fulfilment; our need or desire to confront our inner fears and insecurities – paraphrasing from Sigmund Freud: “The Future of An Illusion” (1927). Spot on! People desperately cling on to their various religious faiths, against all rationality because they are terrified of the brutality and hopelessness of daily life and the finality of death. As one saying goes, “life’s a bitch and then you die”. As philosopher Thomas Hobbes expressed it, life is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short. So people search for some sort of personal security, meaning and purposefulness in an indifferent, cold, uncaring and purposeless cosmos. If no one really cares about you (and everybody has got their own set of personal issues and problems to deal with) then you clutch at the straw that is that invisible magic man in the sky. You want a Big Brother to make everything come out all right just the way your parents did when you were a child when they sheltered and looked after you and kissed away the hurt and the tears when you cried in their lap and always comforted you.

*If you have to lie in order to promote your religion, then your religion is utter crap!

*You have to wonder how much of their religion Christians ACTUALLY believe vis-a-vis are they just going through the motions; going along with the crowd in order to be accepted by family, friends and their society; in order to fit in with the majority.

*Religion first gives you the disease (the original sinning stick) then gives you the cure – the afterlife carrot.

Regarding Faith & Belief

*Faith is just wishful thinking.

*If you say you believe there is a God, there’s no comeback from Doubting Thomas’s other than to have you try to justify your belief. But if you claim to actually know that there is a God, then you have to go way, way, way beyond justification and start citing actual evidence that can be independently verified.

*Logic might be a pathway to what is true, but logic in and of itself is not actual evidence that what is logically postulated is actually true.

Regarding Morality

*Theists propose that there are just two kinds of evil. There’s natural ‘evil’ (i.e. – disease, earthquakes, drought, etc.) and then there is moral evil where humans harm humans and often innocent animals and the environment (i.e. – paedophilia, kidnapping, blackmail, rape, littering, etc.). However, theists conveniently forget two other categories of evil. Firstly, there’s religious evil – humans harming humans in the name of their god (be it God or Allah, etc.) and by god there’s been an awful lot of that sort of evil. Secondly, there is holy evil or God’s evil and you don’t have to read very far into the Bible to find examples, examples like The Flood, Sodom & Gomorrah, the 10 plagues, the sanctioning of slavery, genocide, animal and human sacrifice, cruel and unusual punishments like stoning to death children or letting loose bears on kids. Humans can be evil but by god, God is their role model.

*Why be good when you can just be forgiven?

*No matter what alleged moral absolutes you postulate (i.e. – murder is wrong), I’d wager the human intellect and imagination can come up with a scenario that justifies a violation of that alleged absolute. In the case of murder, there’s self-defense; war; capital punishment; abortion in certain circumstances; mercy killing / euthanasia and scenarios where the act of killing one innocent saves the lives of five other innocents (The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one – Mr. Spock.)

Regarding the End Times

*The End Is Nigh: 50 AD – any day now. 100 AD – any day now. 250 AD – any day now. 500 AD – any day now. 750 AD – any day now. 1000 AD – any day now. 1250 AD – any day now. 1500 AD – any day now. 1600 AD – any day now. 1700 AD – any day now. 1800 AD – any day now. 1900 AD – any day now. 2000 AD – any day now. 2017 AD – any day now.

Regarding Heaven & Hell

*Anytime, or nearly anytime a True Christian Believer gets cornered by atheistic logic / reasoning and can’t wriggle out of the paper bag they have taken refuge in, they often resort to, and come out lashing, striking out at the atheist with dire threats like “you’re going to burn forever in Hell”; “your soul is now damned for all eternity”; “I hope you enjoy your eternal torment” or as Maude was prone to say, “God will get you for that”! That’s not really the proper way to respond when you lose an argument.

Regarding the Bible

*”The Bible said” is actually some human(s) said, and humans say an awful lot of things that have no basis in reality for a whole variety of reasons, some innocent; some not so innocent. The Bible (as well as other holy books) was written by humans for humans and any quotations therein are dubious at best since I’ve yet to see documented that there was anyone back then taking shorthand and writing down the words of wisdom of this or that Biblical character, including alleged supernatural characters. On the other hand, works of fiction are full of author-invented dialogues and monologues.

*Here’s another Biblical oops. In Genesis 1: 11-12 & 29, God gives us all plants and seeds that are good to eat and to plant as future plants that are good to eat. Wrong, for alas, not all plants and seeds are good to eat and to plant (and then eat the resulting plant). So God says plants and seeds are good; actual practice suggests that various plants and seeds can end up planting you six feet under. Yet another Godly oops.

*Though it seems to be widely reported to the contrary, nowhere in Exodus do I read where the death of the firstborn (i.e. – the tenth plague) was restricted to children. It would seem that anyone of any age who happened to have been the firstborn got zapped by God. (Reference Exodus 11: 5; 12: 12; 12: 29; and 13: 15).

*Variation One: Why would anyone in their right mind put any sort of credibility into the Bible? I mean it was written over many hundreds of years; thousands of years ago; by people who remain totally anonymous / unknown with questionable education; leaving behind no original source material; ultimately cobbled together and re-cobbled together by differing committees with differing faiths and agendas and opinions; translated and retranslated with translations of the translations; telling tales that would be pretty fantastic even by modern science fantasy standards.

*Variation Two (adopted from “The Atheist Experience” TV Show): The Bible is just a collection of individual books for which we have no originals, written by people we can’t interview and we weren’t even sure who wrote what or even most of it. So how can you use the Bible as an authority for something (i.e. – God) that’s supernatural?

*Variation Three (also adopted from “The Atheist Experience” TV Show): The Bible is just an old book, written by unknown people, of unknown origin, with unknown dates, none of which is confirmable. There’s no contemporary evidence outside of the Bible itself that corroborates any of it and yet this is sufficient to convince multi millions upon millions that magic happens.

*The Bible is true! Source: The Bible! Every word in the Bible is true and it’s true because the Bible says so. How can you argue against that! [Thanks to Jaclyn Glenn.]

*It’s a rather sad fact that not all Christian True Believers are aware of the fact that the Bible wasn’t written originally in English!

Regarding the Exodus

*Here’s some reasons why the Biblical Exodus is a total nonsense. According to the Bible, 600,000 men (not including women and children) left Egypt for the Promised Land. When you take into account women and children, I’ve seen estimates that up to two million ‘slaves’ left Egypt, accompanied by birds and livestock (Exodus 12: 37-38). Now let’s assume the journey was about the same from modern day Cairo to Tel Aviv. If you go as the crow flies, it’s about 400 km, but that cuts across water. It you head north out of Cairo to the coast then follow the coast, it’s about 625 km. If you head NE out of Cairo until you hit the coast then follow the coast, it’s about a 500 km journey. Why follow the coast? Well you can’t really get lost if you hug the coastline, keeping the Mediterranean Sea to your left as you forge ahead. Sooner or later you’re going to hit the Promised Land. Further, even if you walk just one km a day (heck, you could crawl on your hands-and-knees or even on your belly and make one km a day) you’d make the Cairo – Tel Aviv journey in less than two years. And tens of thousands of other people, nomads, have crossed the Saini desert in days or weeks without any trouble. That alone puts the 40 year Biblical journey in the wilderness in the totally-made-up category, especially when you consider that according to the Bible, God was leading the parade from Egypt to the Promised Land as a “pillar of a cloud” by day and as a “pillar of fire” by night (Exodus 13: 21-22). Maybe God didn’t have a map or didn’t think to hug the coastline. Actually God apparently deliberately chose to lead His people via the long route initially heading SE (Exodus 13: 17-18). No doubt if His Chosen People knew in advance that He was leading them up one extremely long garden path, He might have gotten the middle finger treatment – and nearly did – and who could blame them for telling God where to go and what he could do with Himself when He got there.

Anyway, if the 600,000 men started off on the Egypt to Promised Land journey single file, and allowing for 1 metre separation between them, well 600,000 metres equals 600 kilometres so the first in line would have reached the Promised Land more likely as not before the last one even left Egypt! Of course maybe they didn’t travel single file. Still, that motley former ‘slave’ crowd would have taken up quite a significant area.

Now the area of a circle is equal to Pi times the radius squared. If each of the 600,000 males we know about requires roughly 10 square metres of space (actually nearly most everyone would demand way more than just 10 square metres of personal space) then all 600,000 would occupy roughly an area of 6 million square metres. If you crunch the numbers, the mob would have occupied a circle with a radius of 1.382 km or a diameter of 2.764 km (don’t forget there was no “up” as in multistory buildings to reduce the area in question – everybody occupied ground level). That’s a large area!

Further to that point, you can’t convince me that 600,000 plus people on the move wouldn’t leave behind any rubbish (i.e. – broken pottery and broken / worn-out tools and other non-organic refuse); wouldn’t have buried their dead – those who died on the journey (burials since exposed by erosion); and left behind those millions of campfire residues (which could be carbon dated). The arid environment of the Sinai Peninsula should also have preserved organic stuffs like clothing and artefacts like discarded wood implements. The essential point is that any population numbering 600,000 plus (up to perhaps two million), even a nomadic population, will leave behind archaeological traces. Archaeologists have documented numerous hunter-gatherer tribes 1/1000th the size of God’s Chosen People as related in Exodus.

And further yet to that, one cultural aspect of the human condition is that people like to leave their mark (i.e. – Kilroy was here). Graffiti is not a modern phenomenon. So if you have a band of the great unwashed numbering some 600,000 plus, then you should expect to find some associated graffiti (i.e. – up the pharaoh; golden calves rule, OK; Moses is a jerk; Joseph loves Mary; where’s the exit sign; are we there yet?). Yet I’ve never heard of any account by ancient or Biblical historians finding and translating the graffiti resulting from The Exodus.

And where are the remains of the original Ten Commandment tablets which were broken to bits by Moses (the jerk) as related in Exodus 32: 19? Are they still there? Were they ‘shoplifted’ as souvenirs? Did they even actually exist at all?

So in conclusion, based on the above as well as for lots of other reasons (i.e. – there’s no independent verification from ancient Egyptian texts that verify The Exodus; and of course the holy of holies, the Ark of the Covenant has vanished into the Twilight Zone – how convenient), I can only conclude that The Exodus is just a work of historical fiction – 1% history and 99% fiction. The fact of the matter is, if any actual hard-core evidence had ever been found that verified the Biblical story of The Exodus, it would have been front-page news and absolutely common knowledge around the globe. It hasn’t – it isn’t.

Regarding God

*One can imagine the existence of a maximally more perfect being (i.e. – God). However, so the argument goes, the actual existence of such a being would be even more perfect. Therefore, by imagining God, God actually must exist. But, one can also imagine the non-existence of a maximally most perfect being and since external reality is more perfect that imagination, then therefore the maximally most perfectly being is non-existent in an external reality.

*If God is the most maximally perfect being possible, then God cannot change because to do so would make Him even more or less perfect that He already is which is by definition impossible.

*It is said that God and God alone is a necessary being who must exist independently of all else. All else, all other beings are contingent beings who don’t to have to, of necessity, exist. Alas, if life, the Universe and everything can be accounted for and explained without resorting to God (or any other deity) then God is hardly a necessary being.

*God (i.e. – Mr. Magic Man) is the pathetic rationale which you invoke when you can’t think of any alternative.

*When you get to the point where you cannot explain X, your answer must be “I don’t know” and not that I know the answer has to be God.

*A magic man created the world and then committed suicide. How logical is that!

*In the mind of the True Believer, God has always got to be right! If you begin with the premise that everything God does is morally right, then you can spin any Biblical story to fit that preconception.

*God’s attitude is “might makes right”. I have might and therefore I am right. I created you (i.e. – might) so therefore I can kill you (right).

*Is God so weak and feeble that He can’t figure out a way to convince me of His existence? Apparently so.

*If God is so against homosexuality, how come He didn’t do a Sodom & Gomorrah on ancient Greece and in particular Sparta? Consistency is not God’s middle name by any means.

*If God and company (i.e. – Jesus) appeared to the great unwashed in the Near and Middle East preaching their bona-fides, why did they fail to appear personally to the great unwashed in Australia, Polynesia, the Americas, Africa, Asia and Europe? Was God lazy? Or maybe God couldn’t find the time being too preoccupied and busy terrorising the inhabitants of His rather small patch of terrestrial turf. Perhaps it’s because the writers of the Bible didn’t actually know these places existed and therefore couldn’t have their fictional deities appear there! Of course once these places were discovered, then to make up for that oversight, the Christian Church sent their representatives to convert the heathen and pagan natives around to their way of thinking. That didn’t work out all that well, at least for the heathen and pagan indigenous peoples. These underlings of the Church, who really had no business to undertake such a task, often did anything but preach their Christianity, or when they did, did so via what one would have to call rather un-Christian ways and means, like convert or we’ll torture you – in fact we’ll torture you anyway. But these so-called Christians turned out to be often more interested in gold and silver and resources and other riches. In their wake they usually left behind a trail of death and disease and destruction of native cultures to Christianity’s everlasting shame. The crimes against humanity committed in the name of God (and Jesus) are legendary – least we forget.

Regarding Jesus

*There is no contemporary source(s) penned at the time Jesus (allegedly) existed that mentions him apart from the Bible and that wasn’t even contemporary since the Gospels were written many decades after-the-fact. Why is there no other even quasi contemporary source material that mentions Jesus? Very strange.

Regarding Atheists & Atheism

*Atheists are those who believe that no deity of any kind exists – not just God. Atheists don’t believe Zeus exists or existed either. Atheists have never claimed that they know that no God exists. If an atheist does claim that then they have made a statement they cannot back up. Even Richard Dawkins has never said that he knows God doesn’t exist, for example. Atheists are smart enough to know that you can’t prove a negative deity. I do not believe that God exists, but I never have claimed that “God does not exist”. That statement would put the burden of proof on me. If it should turn out that God (or any other deity) exists, I’m more than ready, willing and able to justify my theological worldview before Him, Her or It.

Some Anti-Theist Religious Bits & Pieces: Round Fifteen

Of all of those Big Questions central to philosophical concepts that surround life, the universe and everything, the realms of theology and religions and the nature of deities continue to fascinate. Opinions proliferate in books, articles, videos, conversations in bars and pubs, and in fact anywhere and everywhere two or more humans are in proximity. There’s the pro side; there’s the anti-side. There aren’t too many fence-sitters. I’m still in the anti-camp as the following bits and pieces illustrate.

Regarding Religion

*The massive diversity of religious faiths is a major argument against religious faith.

*Religions of necessity creates an “us-and-them” mentality.

*Christians are in favour of freedom of religion as long as it’s their religion.

*If you ever want to know what is wrong with your religion, just ask somebody from an alternative religion. They’ll be very pleased to tell you.

*Teach a child one religion and you indoctrinate them. Teach them many religions and you inoculate them.

Regarding Religion vs. Science

*If the Bible is so all scientifically spot-on, then Galileo and Copernicus would never have gotten into theological hot water so to speak. Even the Pope, John Paul II finally had to confess centuries later in October 1992 that Copernicus and (specifically) Galileo got it right and that the Church was wrong and had done these scientists an extreme disservice and injustice.

*When examining a few of my history of science tomes, what do I find?

The Ancient Greeks were known for their mathematics, observations in natural history and physics. They also came up with the idea of an academic institution of higher learning, and albeit no science, they are clearly associated with the concept of the Olympic Games.

The Arabs excelled at mathematics and astronomy.

The Polynesians were masters at maritime and celestial navigation.

The Ancient Egyptians are associated with massive achievements in engineering and also mummification.

The Mayans were superb observational astronomers even without any instrumentation.

The Incas are renowned for their engineering construction and for metallurgy.

The Chinese are known for numerous discoveries from chemistry to geophysics to astronomy and medicine.

The Vikings were master seafarers.

Several ancient cultures independently came up with the aerodynamic principles governing the invention of the boomerang – not associated with the Bible of course.

Alas, the Bible and Biblical characters do not rate any mention at all. Historians of science do not acknowledge any contribution to science from the Bible or via the characters associated with the Bible. If anything, the ‘science’ in the Bible gets a massive thumbs down.

Regarding Faith & Belief

*A belief system that hasn’t changed in 2000 years that isn’t self-correcting isn’t worth squat because it isn’t capable of learning anything new.

*I’d rather not know the answer than make stuff up.

*Now I realise that the world is a very terrifying place, therefore you feel very insecure and alone and small within this sea of humanity that’s totally cold and indifferent and uncaring about you. So, it’s no wonder that you choose to live as much as possible in a la-la-land wonderland inhabited by an invisible magic man in the sky, a Big Brother figure who will look after you.

*Christian theists represent just one faith among many numerous faiths. I have no more reason to believe in that faith and to accept that faith than both you and I both do with respect to any of the other faiths. The only tiny difference between us is that you’re an atheist when it comes to all faiths but one; I’m an atheist when it comes to all faiths full stop. So to recap, I don’t believe in your faith in the same way that you don’t believe in all the others who have their faith tied up in all the other faiths that aren’t your faith.

*You may claim to have actual ‘knowledge’ that God exists as opposed to just a degree of personal faith or belief that God exists, but regardless of the term used, you cannot convey that ‘knowledge’ to me in such a way or form that I can independently verify that ‘knowledge’ for myself. Therefore, your ‘knowledge’ is worthless to me until such time as you do just that. This inability; your lack to give me ‘knowledge’ that I can independently verify, speaks volumes.

*But, speaking of ‘knowledge’, I’ll give you a plausible reason why you believe you have ‘knowledge’ of God’s existence, the (near) infallibility of the Bible and in the reality of a supernatural Jesus. It’s all because that was the theology that was taught in the culture / society / community / family you were born and raised into, although indoctrinated / brainwashed might be more to the point and a more appropriate term(s). Now you know, and I know, that had you been born and raised in another time and in another place your theological indoctrination would have been drastically different. You’d bet the family farm on Ra, The Book of the Dead and on Horus. You’d have belief in your ‘knowledge’ of the theology part and parcel of ancient Egypt and you know this to be true.

*So just because you claim to have some ‘knowledge’ of something (i.e. – God & Jesus) does not in and of itself; of necessity, make that alleged ‘knowledge’ correct. Many a person has had knowledge that later proved wrong.

*Faith is not scepticism.

*Assuming that both Satan and God are real, how did you actually figure out that God is the good guy and Satan is the bad guy? What mechanism did you use to figure that out? You have to use your own self-generated morality to decide the issue. If you use God’s morality that’s imposed on you, then you aren’t going to be able to use your own independent judgement. God is obviously going to be biased in favour of God.

Regarding Prayer & Miracles

*Hands that help are far more important than hands that pray.

*It doesn’t count when you pray for rain today when yesterday’s weather forecast said tomorrow it’s going to rain!

Regarding the Bible

*Anyone can write words in a book like the Bible. But is there any independent verification for all of the Bible’s alleged supernatural happenings? Just because I read a book in quantum physics doesn’t make quantum physics true, however much I might believe the author. But I can go out and do the experiments / observations (or watch the experiments being done) and convince myself that quantum physics is indeed true as the book and authorship stated. That’s independent verification.

*Here’s a Biblical analogy: I very recently watched the 15 episode TV miniseries on DVD “North & South” – before, during and after the American Civil War. Now nearly all of the locations where the stories take place actually exist. Many of the events (i.e. – Civil War battles; Lincoln’s assassination, Harper’s Ferry, etc.) actually happened. Some of the supporting cast played really real historical characters like General Lee and General Grant and President Lincoln, etc. However, a few of the places, many of the events, and all of the major characters were entirely made up. Thus, “North & South” is a work of historical fiction so just because one place / event / character was real doesn’t translate into the entire miniseries being something a high school student could watch in preparation for an American history exam.

*Consider Genesis 2: 24 (King James Version)

“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”

The only two humans present and accounted for at this point in time were Adam and Eve and they didn’t have a mum and a dad (in the traditional sense). So where did this concept of parenthood come from out of the blue; all of a sudden? Well obviously this is just pure evidence that Genesis was all the product of human authorship; authorship that knew perfectly well that humans come from humans and that humans have mums and dads. Said authors needed to clarify that after their imaginative rendering of the initially humanly parent-less creation myth of Adam and Eve.

*I don’t have neither the time nor the inclination to go through over 600 Biblical contradictions, one by one. I will mention one however. There are two separate and apart Ten Commandments which are not complementary; they do not agree one with the other (apart from the very first commandment) – compare and contrast Exodus 20: 3-17 and Exodus 34: 11-28 (and take especially careful note of the final three words in Exodus 34: 28). Suffice it be to say that I am convinced the Bible is chock-a-block full of internal contradictions. That’s in addition to all the other nonsense I’ve already touched on and gone through.

*Who said that the Bible was God’s word? A human said that!

Regarding that Biblical Talking Snake:

*I’ll also note that it is easy to try to identify Satan with the talking snake in retrospect since Genesis and Revelation are eons apart; as far apart as it is possible to get. Revelation was written much, much later and could be twisted to adapt to previous Biblical chapters and verses.

Faced with an Ockham’s Razor choice between the Genesis talking snake really being a supernatural entity (i.e. – Satan) for which there is no actual independent evidence that he even exists, or the talking snake being the product of pure human imagination, which is a more rational decision?

Regarding the Exodus

We all know the tall tale of how God commanded Moses (and later Aaron – Exodus 4) to go to the Egyptian pharaoh (curiously unnamed in the Bible) with a request, well demand actually, to let God’s Chosen People (the Israelites / Hebrews) leave their alleged enslavement in Egypt so they could travel to the Promised Land – the Burning Bush myth of The Exodus (Exodus 3).

God tells Moses that pharaoh will not listen to him when he requests, actually demands is more the case in point, that pharaoh let the Hebrew ‘slaves’ go out of Egypt, even after God has given the Egyptian nation (note, not pharaoh) nine plagues to deal with.

Despite giving Moses and Aaron a bag full of magic tricks with which to convince the Egyptian establishment of their holy mission bona-fides, God also told Moses (and Aaron) that pharaoh wouldn’t listen to them (Exodus 7: 4; 11: 9) and let His people go (Exodus 3: 19; 11: 9). In fact God knew before-the-fact that He would have to get downright nasty with Egypt (the Egyptians in general instead of the pharaoh specifically) in order to achieve His aims (Exodus 3: 20). So an immediate issue arises, why bother sending Moses (and Aaron) to chin-wag with pharaoh in the first place? It was doomed from the get-go.

In fact God deliberately and on numerous occasions, hardened pharaoh’s heart to ensure Moses and Aaron wouldn’t be listened to[#] and to ensure pharaoh wouldn’t let His Chosen People go (Exodus 4: 21; 7: 3; 7: 13-14; 7: 22; 8: 15; 8: 19; 8: 32; 9: 7; 9: 12; 9: 34-35; 10: 1; 10: 20; 10: 27; 11: 10; 14: 4; 14: 8; and also all Egyptians to boot Exodus 14: 17). What was the point of asking pharaoh to let His people go and then hardening pharaoh’s heart to ensure the exact opposite result? Perhaps that just then gives God the sadistic pleasure of inflicting cruel and unusual punishments on the Egyptian people via those ten plagues – note, not just on pharaoh, the only person to which He had an initial beef. In fact several times pharaoh was willing to let His people go and basically told the Hebrews to piss off (Exodus 9: 28; 10: 10; 10: 24; 12: 31-33), but no, God hardened pharaoh’s heart instead.

What God should have done, what God should have told pharaoh directly god-to-man (face-to-face), assuming God was going to be fair-dinkum about His one and only one true objective which was getting pharaoh to let His Chosen People leave Egypt (instead of trying to prove Himself to all Egyptians as an all-round sadistic tyrant by inflicting the ten plagues), would have been that unless pharaoh let His people go, pharaoh was going to take a very long walk off a the top of a very tall and steep stone pyramid. End of discussion; end of problem.

[#] And pharaoh didn’t listen to (or hearken unto) Moses or Aaron (Exodus 7: 13; 7: 22; 8: 15; 8: 19; and 9: 12).

Issues Arising 1: What was the point of sending Moses and Aaron to talk to the pharaoh when God knew pharaoh wouldn’t listen and let the Israelites / Hebrews leave Egypt and God Himself would ensure this on numerous occasions by hardening pharaoh’s heart? It was all an exercise in absolute futility if you were Moses and Aaron.

Issues Arising 2: What was the point of God inflicting punishment on the Egyptian people and livestock (i.e. – the ten plagues) when it was pharaoh and pharaoh alone who was the obstacle – an obstacle God wished to be an obstacle so God could strut His stuff and make damn sure that all and sundry knew without doubt that He was a read bad-ass.

Regarding God

*If there really is an outstanding argument for the actual existence of God, why aren’t theists using it?

*Even if God actually exists, that in and of itself doesn’t mean that this God is worthy of being worshipped.

*By the way, a flawed world implies a flawed creator.

*If you’re trying to prove the existence of God, which god are you trying to prove and why? Can you give me any actual evidence that supports your God that doesn’t also support another god(s)?

*God said it; I believe it; that settles it.

*If you are really worthy of worship, you wouldn’t demand to be worshipped. And just because God (may have) created you doesn’t mean of necessity that you are obliged to worship Him.

*If God created a women to be a companion to the male of the species, why didn’t God create a female deity to be a companion to Him?

Regarding God’s Creation & the First Cause Argument

*I propose that God is actually a magical flying pink elephant how farted the Universe into existence. Justification? We know that farting exists, even in the animal kingdom (my cats pass wind for example); we know that flying exists, from insects to pterosaurs to birds to bats to airplanes; we know that pink exists (quite apart from the entertainer); we know that elephants exist too. So a flying pink elephant that farted the Universe into existence is way more rational that presupposing any invisible magic man in the sky did the deed since we have no actual knowledge that such a creator deity actually even exists.

*Maybe God caused the Big Bang event but in doing so blew Himself up – oops.

Regarding God’s Omniscience

*If God is all-knowing then how can He be upset at you for sinning when He knew even before you were born that you would sin?

*Some say that there is no contradiction in being all-knowing and having free will. But if you know for absolute certain, and you are bound by that knowledge, of what you are going to have for breakfast tomorrow morning, then of necessity you must have that breakfast. Otherwise you didn’t know for absolute certain what was to happen before-the-fact and you weren’t all-knowing. If you are all-knowing then you have no free will in the matter if you do what you knew for absolute certain what you would do. Now either a deity has free will OR else it is all-knowing. The deity cannot be both since that would be a logical fallacy or contradiction. Of course the deity in question could be neither all-knowing AND have no free will, which suggests that there might not even be a deity present and accounted for at all. Further, if God is NOT all-knowing, then I’ll suggest that He doesn’t know how to create an absolute something from absolute nothingness.

Rebuttal: Omniscience (knowing all) does not include knowing the future, because the future does not exist (by the very grammar of the sentence, it would make no sense to say that the future exists). So, just as an omniscient being doesn’t need to know the number of hairs on Harry Potter’s head (there is no such number, so there’s nothing to know), likewise He would not have to know the future (since there is no such thing).”

Rebutting the rebuttal: Some dictionary definitions to start with of “omni”. Omni means “indicates all”; “denoting all”; “an element of Latin origin meaning ‘all’”. If you are ALL-knowing, the word ALL means just that – ALL. ALL encompasses ALL that is past; ALL that is present; ALL that is future; ALL is ALL that there is to know about life, the Universe and everything. The phrase is “all-knowing” NOT “all (except for the future)-knowing. Argue with the use of the word “all”, not with me. And by the way, the future is deterministic given the laws, principles and relationships that rule the roost. One example: solar and lunar eclipses can be predicted with certainty thousands of years into the future. You could write a list of future events, events you know must happen.

Rebuttal 2: Omni does indeed mean “all”, but the future does not exist, and so it is not part of “all” any more than the number of hairs on Santa Claus’ beard is part of “all”. There is no such number, so even an omniscient person is not required to know it.

Rebutting the rebuttal 2: Again, the phrase is “all-knowing” NOT “all (except for the future)-knowing”. Further, given theist’s belief that the Bible is the absolute word of God, the Book of Revelation is all about the future. Further, what about all of those Biblical prophets who had absolute knowledge of the future? Finally, I have convinced myself through rational thought processes that free will and omniscience are incompatible and contradictory terms.

Regarding God’s Will

*Since we weren’t allowed to eat from the Tree of Knowledge that would suggest that God wished to keep us in a state of pure and perpetual ignorance. Methinks knowledge, even knowledge of good and evil, is preferable to ignorance and so the talking snake, Even and Adam ultimately did the right thing.

*Now just why would God all humans to have free will if He then will not allow said humans to exercise their free will without punishing them for it? That’s all the more the case when if exercising one’s free will the exercise of that free will harms no other humans. There are many “thou shall nots” in the Bible that if you do any of those “nots” God will get you for that even though no person was harmed or inconvenienced in even the slightest way.

Regarding God’s ‘Morality’

*If you think God is Mr. Morality personified, then please allow me to read certain adult-only Biblical stories to your young children!

For example (one of many):

1 Samuel 15:2-3 (King James Version)

2 “Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.”

3 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”

Now how are you going to explain to your young child why God ordered infants and babies to be slaughtered? And what was the point of killing all of the livestock? God’s insane!

*More about God’s crimes? God says “do not kill”; God kills. Enough said! For elaboration I recommend you watch on YouTube DarkMatter2525′s clip on “God goes on a mass murder spree”. He gives 41 Biblical references to back up his claims.

*We do not, or we certainly should not get our morality from God on the grounds that He’s very much a ‘do as I say, not as I do’ sort of dude. Any positive association between God and morality is a major oxymoronic association. I’m ready, willing and able to pass judgement on God and God’s alleged ‘morality’, especially on grounds that God, after all, was created in the image of humans. So I’m ultimately in judgement of fellow humans, albeit humans – humans who wrote the Bible hence defined God’s ‘morality’ – long since turned to dust and ashes.

*If you accept God’s version of morality unreservedly, then you are passing judgement upon God. If you do not accept God’s version of morality unreservedly, either in part or in its entirety, then you are also passing on God. In either case, you are using your own internally derived concepts of morality to either agree or disagree with God’s morality.

*Morality must come from some authority. We (the people) ARE that authority.

Regarding Jesus

*Can Christian theists cite for me at least one inscription or document – NOT the Bible – that has been dated and authenticated to the era between 1 AD and say 50 AD, an inscription or document that mentions Jesus, especially a supernatural Jesus, one who performed miracles and who was resurrected from the dead? Can you do that? If not then please keep quiet about the existence of contemporary evidence for the actual existence of Jesus.

Because here’s the point. Did any of the alleged (500 or so) witnesses (1 Corinthians 15: 6) to the resurrected Jesus, or any of the women or any of the disciples who saw an animated version of him post-crucifixion ever pen their own first person account of this miracle? The answer is an absolute “no”.

And ancient historian Josephus wasn’t born until after-the-fact (37 AD – 100 AD). He makes no mention of Jesus until around 93-94 AD in his “Antiquities of the Jews”, failing to mention Jesus in earlier works, and then gives only two brief mentions which have merited much scholarly debate (i.e. – not everyone is convinced of the authenticity of what Josephus allegedly wrote. Further, there are no originals – of course. The earliest copies date to the 11th Century, so we’re dealing with copies of copies of copies; translations of translations of translations. Who can really say what alterations were or might have been made by those Christian monks into whose care was placed the relevant Josephus manuscript?

Even if despite all of the copies and all of the translations and all of the opportunities for those with vested interests to add and/or subtract from what Josephus wrote, what Josephus wrote only gives historical credibility to Jesus the mortal person, not Jesus the supernatural being.

*Christian theists do go on, and on, and on, and on, and on about all of this evidence for the existence of a supernatural Jesus and a resurrected Jesus (and an invisible Jesus, but never mind that). Yet two of the three major monotheistic religions give the concept of a supernatural / resurrected Jesus the absolute thumbs down. So why doesn’t their alleged evidence for Jesus cut any ice with the True Believers of these two other major faiths? Methinks something is downright screwy with theist’s alleged evidence – like it doesn’t actually even exist.

*Regarding the alleged resurrection of Jesus, can you imagine the debacle that would arise if modern major news stories in the here-and-now weren’t reported anywhere until 50 years after-the-fact. What degree of accuracy could you expect especially if everything were just reported by word-of-mouth? Fifty years after-the-fact? Talk about alternative facts emerging and utterly fake news.

*Hercules is the real new resurrection story and Jesus is the fake news story. The resurrection of Jesus was a slightly reworked plagiarism of the Hercules resurrection. Now prove me wrong!

*The alleged “empty tomb” is not an argument for the resurrection of Jesus. Just because my cookie jar is empty doesn’t mean I don’t have any cookies. Or, just because I have an empty wallet doesn’t mean that I’m broke.

*Sexual abstinence didn’t help the Virgin Mary now, did it?

*knock, knock
–”Who is it?”
-”It’s me, Jesus. Let me in.”
–”Why do you want in?”
-”I want to save you.”…
–”Save me from what?”
-”From what I’ll do to you if you don’t let me in

Regarding Atheists & Atheism

*Theists might just benefit by watching on YouTube the call-in TV show “The Atheist Experience” (out of Austin, Texas) which is actually designed specifically for theists to call in and give their theism their best shot. I’d love to see theists go up again Matt Dillahunty who nearly became a Christian minister (before he saw the light) and thus probably knows more about Christian theology and the Bible better than most theists do. I certainly wouldn’t want to go up against him in a theological debate! So due warning: Dillahunty holds nothing back and pulls no punches and takes no prisoners.